Q&As from the Takaka and Collingwood Open Day Feedback Forms
Funding
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1. I was very concerned that there was no information available about the financing of this proposal. I would like to know:
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The cost will depend on which site we use and what site and road works are required. We have not publicised any figures because we do not want to influence a tender process. The capital cost will be paid for from the proceeds of the contributing sites, a prudent level of borrowings that can be serviced from income, and - if required - some nationally raised funds from charitable and other sources. IMG has no intention to raise funds in the community through sausage sizzles and the like. |
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2. If the trust board find themselves in the situation of the Joan Whiting board, with insufficient resources to operate profitably, what will happen? Who will bail them out? |
A big focus of the IMG is to ensure that the integrated facility is well structured with adequate capital and ongoing income. It is one of the reasons this project is taking some time to complete - we don‚t want to make hasty, ill-judged decisions. Integration offers efficiencies not available to three stand-alone businesses, and this ensures the viability of each of the services that may not otherwise be possible. |
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3. Does this mean the community trust will be responsible for sourcing funding? Why should people of GB be faced with never ending fund raising? The community has not the population in GB to fund this - has it? |
It has never been the intention for Golden Bay people to be faced with this. The structure of the trust is currently being considered. However it has always been envisaged that the integrated service would receive funds in exactly the same way and from the same sources that the existing services do. |
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4. Does the government (as chief funder) have final say as to the final product? |
The three contributing organisations (rest home, medical centre and District Health Board) all need to agree to the final proposals. |
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5. As most (or all?) funding comes via DHB why can't it be a DHB organisation, like local government CCOs. |
The DHB does not provide either rest home or primary health care and is only one funding agency for health care in Golden Bay. Funding also comes from a variety of other sources including patient/resident fees, the Primary Health Organisation, Accident Compensation. We are still looking at trust structures and how funding can best be channelled into the integrated service. |
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Operational
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6. I think the present set up works well with doctors being self-employed. Have they given opinions on this? |
We have signed agreements with three of the GPs to become employees of the integrated facility and we are negotiating with the other GP. However integration of health services is important to ensure the ongoing sustainability of existing services in Golden Bay particularly rest home beds. |
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7. Is there another option? Is there anywhere else in NZ where a similar integration is happening and what structure do they have? |
Integration in health care is happening in different ways all over New Zealand. The Golden Bay proposal is unique in bringing together the medical centre, rest home and community hospital. |
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8. Strongly feel that remarks that if staff refuse to work under the DHB services would be withdrawn from GB speaks highly of blackmail. I feel an explanation is required! |
We are unaware of the comment and there is certainly no intention of withdrawing any services from Golden Bay. We are working positively with staff regarding integration and making good progress on resolving concerns. |
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| 9. Why is the IMG not paying more attention to the importance of continuing the X-ray facility available in GB? This is an area of major consideration for this isolated community, and is an area that reduces costs not only to patients but also to the DHB. | |
The IMG knows that access to radiology services is an important need for the community and one of the issues IMG will be looking at is how we continue to provide radiology services for Golden Bay. |
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| 10. If there already is a draft agreement or 'contract' between IMG, for this as yet unregistered Trust, and Nelson Bays Primary Health, why may this draft not be available for public information? Secrecy suggests 'something to hide'? | |
There is no draft agreement as yet. However commercial contracts of this type are not normally made public. |
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| 11. Does IMG have currently any authority to enter into any agreement with Nelson Bays Primary Health? | |
IMG will not be entering any such agreement. A legally formed trust and/or the other funding agencies, which contract NBPHO services, would enter such agreements. |
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| 12. Has this draft 'contract' been scrutinised by any independent agent, independent that is, of IMG and PHO? | |
There is no such draft contract as yet but it would be expected the parties to the agreement would seek professional advice. |
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| 13. If later Nelson Bays Primary Health is found to be defective, how then can the trust 'escape'? | |
Such "escape" protection mechanisms are normally written into contracts on the basis of performance requirements. |
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Site and Building
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14. Is there enough waiting room space for physios, nurses etc? |
The current plans are still preliminary but we feel confident we have thought through this issue. We have already sought input from staff of each of the facilities and will shortly be holding a workshop where staff will get together to ensure the building will function optimally. |
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15. There is a need for a mortuary and I would like this point to be seriously considered. There will be double the number of elderly patients in this complex. Would there be room to extend the plant room? This would provide easy access for the funeral director who would then not have to enter the main corridors. |
At this stage we are looking to provide a continuation of existing services in a more efficient and effective way than is possible through the operation of three individual services, to help the current level of funding go further. While we have a wish list of facilities and services, we need to work through a process of prioritising. Staff are very much involved in helping us do that. |
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16. Where is the provision for respite care? It is very important that we have a regular designated residential respite beds in the rest home and a day programme for those still being cared for in the community. Can there be an area for "wandering" dementia clients so they can stay in the Bay and not be sent to Stillwater Gardens, Naomi Courts etc. |
At this stage we are looking to provide a continuation of existing services in a more efficient way. We do not have the resources to expand the level of care currently provided. By integrating hospital and rest home services we will be able to use the beds available more flexibly. |
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17. If the facility was to be sited at Park Ave how helpful would TDC be? Let's ask them that - it may make it a less expensive and time-consuming option. |
All three sites are still under active consideration and we have been talking to the relevant authorities to identify potential issues and ways of resolving them. |
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18. Do you feel the acute care section to be too close to the main road (noise factor)? Are the dining rooms large enough for the number of residents? |
The current plans are still preliminary but we feel confident we have thought through this issue and anticipated the number of people using the facilities. We have already sought input from staff of each of the facilities and will shortly be holding a workshop where staff will get together to ensure the building will function optimally. |
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19. There doesn‚t appear to be any after-care beds/provision in the maternity wing? |
Integration aims to ensure we preserve existing services. As now, if a new mother requires hospitalised after care, it will be available |
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20. At present there are 17 beds for elderly people. In a few years you need more so why not build another 5 more now? |
Part of our planning for an integrated service has focused on the expected increase in the number of elderly people who will need care over the coming years. The preliminary sketch plans have been drafted on the basis of integrating the level of services provided by the three existing facilities while providing for expansion for each of the areas as the need arises. |
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21. Will there be space available for complementary health care practitioners, to support the recovery, health and holistic well being of patients? |
Our current integration plans do not include complementary health care, but there is no reason it could not be considered in the future if it made sense and was financially self-sustaining. We believe the integration proposed is already sufficiently complex to manage for the time being. |
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22. The proposal to build a new integrated health facility should be advertised so that architects can register an interest as we would hope it would be done with the construction of the final building. |
The current preliminary sketch plans are simply that. We will undergo a formal tendering process for the project. |
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23. An exclusive large fire-fighting water storage and its automatic independent engined pumping unit is needed to supply the sprinkler system needs accommodating on site. A store/workshop to attend to small technical, structural and groundsman equipment is also a need of such an organisation as this. |
We will consider that as our planning for the project becomes more detailed. |
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24. Has any provision been made for storage of ambulance or are St John not part of integration? |
St John is part of the integration to the extent that the facility will be receiving its ambulances. However there is no need for St John's storage and training facilities to be located within the same site. |
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Consultation
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25. It has been stated on a number of occasions that the scheme would not proceed unless the people of GB want it, yet little thought seems to have been given to the question of how to find out if we actually want it. How do you plan to do this? |
The feedback so far shows there is good public support for integration but people want to know more about how it will work. An analysis of the results show:
Over the next few weeks IMG will be continuing to evaluate site options and will be bringing together staff of the hospital, medical centre and rest home to work through how an integrated facility can best function. We will continue to keep the community informed about progress on a number of project streams. Once it is in a position to present a more finalised proposal on the project, we will report back to the community, through a public meeting/s and other communications. |
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26. Please hold some public meetings to discuss the feedback and explain where the proposal is going and answer the multitude of questions that keep arising about funding, staffing, the actual benefits (compared with huge costs and upheaval). I would like to see public meeting when the group can report back on questions and comments from the open days and this questionnaire. How will the IMG decide if there is enough support from the people to go ahead? |
The Open Days and the media and website information have provided people with updates and the opportunity to ask questions and in turn the community has given us some valuable feedback. When we get a bit further down the track we will be reporting back to the community through a public meeting/s and other communications. |
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27. People need to know for themselves if the business plan is viable - when will it be available to the public? |
We acknowledge that, for commercial reasons, the community has not seen the financial detail that underpins the business case. The whole premise for integration is based on the ability to achieve efficiencies from integrating services. IMG would not be considering such a proposal unless it made good financial sense. |
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28. When will staffing levels be made public? |
When we get a bit further down the track we will be reporting back to the community through a public meeting/s and other communications. |
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29. As the IMG proposal effectively closes the public hospital facility (The GBCH) and opens a private facility (owned and operated by a trust), this is a major change in the DHB's provision of services and therefore must go through the DHB's legislated requirements for community consultation. I think that public meetings are absolutely required, first rounds for information provision and later rounds for decision making. |
The Open Days and the media and website information have provided people with updates and the opportunity to ask questions and in turn the community has given us some valuable feedback. When we get a bit further down the track we will be reporting back to the community through a public meeting/s and other communications. |
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30. How much money and time has been wasted looking into this project over the last 5 years, especially because there seem to be so few answers available that give us the opportunity to make an informed decision? |
We don‚t think the considerable time invested largely voluntarily by members of the Integrated Management Group and its forerunners is wasted, given the strong support the people of Golden Bay are showing for integration. This is a complex project and IMG makes no apologies for taking time to carefully consider each of the issues involved in bringing together three separate health care providers. |
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31. What is the timetable? |
| Over the next few weeks IMG will be continuing to evaluate site options and will be bringing together staff of the hospital, medical centre and rest home to work through how an integrated facility can best function. We will continue to keep the community informed about progress on a number of project streams. Once it is in a position to present a more finalised proposal on the project, we will report back to the community, through a public meeting/s and other communications. | |
Trust
IMG received considerable useful feedback regarding the trust structure and activities and as a consequence will be considering a revised trust deed
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32. Why is a trust even being considered? Government money is never guaranteed to keep up with expenses. How will the trust raise the shortfall for what will likely end up in the same under-funded situation as the current rest home? |
The integrated service will receive the same funding from the same multiple sources as occurs now. The purpose of integration is to retain existing health services in GB by ensuring they operate more efficiently, through economies of scale, than they can individually. |
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33. Will a second draft of the trust deed be circulated before formalisation? |
Yes |
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